Early Access - Attack on Titan 4x5 "Declaration of War"

Is 4X6 still gonna come today? You used to tweet some pictures from the episodes or comment about them before they dropped, so I missed them this time😂

Rayan

Lol I listened about half an hour of this like a podcast while waiting at the clinic for my toenails to get cut. Which is impressive considering I’ve never really listened to podcasts.

Muhd Zulhilmi

My favorite thing about the series is how the different reveals all change the way the story can be taken. For example, Reiner's reveal in season 2 changed the way I even saw season 1 and it just carried on from there.

Nick Bai

Gotcha. Which day is shingeki upload day on YT?

R A

In the manga he says that Eren is able to 'provisionally' use the FT as reported by Reiner, despite an 'unclear connection to the royal bloodline'

Xlash

cuz he's absolutely right

Raghav

I’m still only halfway through OMG An extra knife twist during the basement convo is the insane irony of Falco telling Eren “I trusted you... and you tricked me!” while Eren sits across from Reiner, which is exactly what Reiner did to Eren all those years ago 😭 THUS making Reiner re-live that pain he inflicted on Eren but through poor Falco, exacerbating Reiner’s guilt. Arguably - what is happening to Falco now is a series of events originally stemming from Reiner’s attack on Paradis and eventual betrayal

Sarah S

You can play the video, put your phone in sleep mode, and then hit play on the home screen to listen to the audio. That’s what I did. I did it through the patreon app though. Not sure if that’s necessary or if you can just pull it up in a browser.

Spencer

That's not the best idea because there are actually a few pretty big mistranslations in the English dub.

Kebab

Cornberry

Discussion was definitely worth the wait

Paradox

"Keep moving forward'' is such a suiting theme for shingeki. Since 'shingeki'' means ''advancing'' or ''attaking while advancing'' in japanese. So every time the owner of ''shingeki no kyojin'', eren jaeger says that its a holy shit he said it moment for japanese audience.

salan

thank you for the food king

Taku

Another thing I wanted to mention to you Im: I really love that you have such an appreciation for Season 3 Part 1's ending (the one that features Historia). It's probably my favorite ED for the whole series and it's criminally underrated IMO. Little Historia is so cute and the way they tell her story and how it ties into other stories is just gorgeous. The song is called "Akatsuki no Requiem" and if you care to check out the lyrics (no spoilers that aren't already covered in S3P2), it talks about the separation of great nations, the cycle of violence and repetition of history in broad terms. Really great foreshadowing.

LEX the Lexicon Artist

could be a good idea to just record the audio off it using your computer and then playing it in your phone.

LEX the Lexicon Artist

Thank you for this, I hope he gets to read this.

ic77

I'm always really moved that Im's choice of AoT still to hang on his wall isn't Eren, or Reiner, or a big action scene, but Uri and Kenny sitting quietly contemplating the future of their world. It shows so much about how deeply he understands that part of the story.

LEX the Lexicon Artist

Is there any way to listen to this while my Iphone is locked? I plan to listen on it as a podcast while driving.

Paul Alejandro

im is already understanding paths better than manga readers

jeyson Fritz

I just listened to this whole thing like a podcast while folding my laundry. Best use of time ever! I loved your analysis of Zeke Jaeger the most. He's such a great character.

LEX the Lexicon Artist

HE LIKES BRUNETTES!

LEX the Lexicon Artist

Also laughed at "Kruger Jaeger"

LEX the Lexicon Artist

what a rude thing to do as a Patreon member... people really suck.

LEX the Lexicon Artist

I see your point, but unfortunately for Karl Fritz, Marley was using the power of titans through its remnant Eldian population. I agree with you in that he did wish the extermination of his own people, yet couldn't go through with it. Maybe he left that decision to the non-Eldians, putting the Subjects of Ymir at their mercy. If they wish to kill us, then yes, so be it. If they leave us alone, we live forever in prison surrounded by the very monsters we used to subjugate the world...fascinating stuff!

Shiro

I doubt Karl Fritz thought about other nations using the power of titans better, or rather even using it at all, as only Eldians have that ability. Especially the Founding Titan, only Eldian royalty can command it. And since we tend to project our own understanding onto others, I doubt he thought anyone would let Eldians live. Karl wished death upon Eldians while being an Eldian royalty. Surely he thought that other races would hate the titans even more when even he, an Eldian, an Eldian among Eldians, wished for the extermination. He wavered though. He is a coward in that sense. Leaving the dirty work of genocide to others he "blabbered about peace" inside gigantic walls. He didn't do it himself, though he could with the power of Founder.

石原 悟

The way you describe and analyse things really helps me put my words together and increase my vocabulary range when I'm doing my online English lessons.

R

A comprehensive, insightful discussion - well worth the additional wait! I thought this was one of, if not the best directed episodes of the series, even if there are more exciting or revealing episodes. You are dead-on about this being as much of a pivot of the story as That Day has been. While MAPPA did a fantastic job in adapting it, credit goes to Isayama for balancing and connecting the meeting between the two rivals/kindred spirits and the play with finesse, all while simultaneously moving multiple pieces across the board. It is certainly, as you have mentioned, a Light of the Seven moment. Have I mentioned that hearing ət'æk 0N Tάɪtn (the episode 1 soundtrack you spoke of) as Eren’s leg regrows is like hearing the Rains of Castemere during the Red Wedding? The episode is chock full of stunning imagery, as you mentioned. You discussed the extending of hands between Eren and Reiner, a recurring motif that extends all the way back to S1E3/S2E6 that culminates in Eren’s acceptance of Reiner as an equal here. I thought the transitions and especially the framing of the different scenes were a highlight, in particular. Take for example, Falco’s body in each shot being framed between Reiner and Eren – well-poised as a middleman between the two who is being exposed to both worlds. Another one would be that whenever Willy Tybur tells a half-truth/fabricates history, we are shown an act in the background (e.g. the Eldians, Eren being a devil); but when he is being honest, we are shown a scene of the truth (e.g. the wall breaking, Uri) or a shot of Willy himself being open with his emotions. Fascinating stuff.

FrizFroz

True, as far as we know, Rod Reiss, a member of the royal family, was the only one who knew that the Founding Titan could be used to the fullest potential by a member of royal blood. I don't think anyone else knew outside of the royal family that the Founding Titan cannot be used fully by a non-royal blood Subject of Ymir. Also, as far as we know, this could be the first time in history that the Founding Titan is in the hands of a non-royal blood Eldian (it is fair to assume that the royal family kept the Founding Titan within themselves, nothing stated otherwise so far). So maybe they are assuming that Eren can also use it fully (and he actually has in the past), hence poses a very real threat through rumbling!

Shiro

This is really interesting, thanks for pointing these out. It really enhances our experience of the story!

Shiro

I was just about to say the same thing...given Karl Fritz's ideology, he was referring to the humanity within the walls crumbling in the distant future. I interpreted his actions as him subjecting the Subjects of Ymir to a death sentence, with the three walls acting as prison gates. He wished to enjoy a brief moment of peace with his fellow inmates for the brutality of the Eldian empire, until their time would come, when Marley (or other countries), their executioner, would arrive to pass judgment on them and execute them for their sins (or rather, the sins of their ancestors). Hence, he said, if Marley (or possibly any other nation) wishes to gain the power of the Founding Titan, they would simply relinquish it as part of their punishment. Maybe he thought the other races could probably use it better (not the case as Marley is doing the same as what the Eldian empire did!), or maybe Karl just wanted to absolve the Subjects of Ymir of the sins of their ancestors.

Shiro

TWO HOURS LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOOO0O0OO

Jazzy

lol wow 😮

Elise Flanagan

Oh no... I forgot Im was going to talk about translation... Well, here we go. Gotta give some insight. First of all, the fan subs are quite literal and also definitive. Definitive because they take one literal meaning and run with it. The problem is, quite a few words in our language have meanings that can't be translated in one word, yet subs demand cutting down on word number per scene. Because humans can only read so much at a time. And some interpretations are included, even hinted at through wording. For example, going all the way back to Eren Kruger saying "anyone can be a god or a devil. all it takes is for someone to believe it". Literal translation actually is "anyone can be a god or a devil. all it takes is for someone to state it so". Here the "believe" part is implied. Kruger is talking about the trigger. You gotta say it to make it a widespread truth. Of course the people gotta believe what you say, but that's a given, not worth mentioning. Which is exactly what Lord Tybur did. He said it. Doesn't matter if he himself believed in it. He said that Eren was a true devil so to speak. Same with Grisha. Without him saying out loud that Eldian Empire consisted of saints who did nothing but help people, Restorationists would've been within realms of official propaganda. Now on to examples Im looked at. The demolition part. Was it due to age taking its toll, or did it decay? The answer is both. The word used is 老朽化. Deterioration/decay due to passing of time. Magath is saying that the house grew old and decayed. Rats and pillars are kinda same problem, but rats are a special case. Both words can be plural or singular. We don't add "s" to words to make them plural, by default most nouns can mean both. A good rule of thumb is to assume multiple unless the context clearly shows that it's singular, or it's otherwise specified. In the context of conversation between Magath and Lord Tybur pillar/s can mean both. So it's more natural to assume there are more than one pillars. To get dramatic impact though, you can state it was just one pillar and argue that it' technically correct, since the word pillar/s holds both meaning. To which I would say that in such cases it's specified already for the same dramatic effect, and that translator is getting too hyped about his/her own interpretation. Rat/s too, hold both multiple and singular meaning, but here's a slight nuance. The phrase "we got rat/s" said metaphorically always refers to enemy spies. That's just how we speak. Just like in English one might say "he's a rat" and mean that the person in question is a snitch. Rat/s mean spies in our language. So Magath could be referring to one, but again, unless specified it's better to assume multiple. Multiple enemy spies sniffing around. Oh, and the house was not "infested", he said "we already got rat/s who gotten inside", inside the house. Oriental is the correct translation. Where did the east come in? Well, the word "oriental is 東洋, literally "east (of, eastern part) ocean". Or perhaps, the translators knew Kiyomi's family name and translated it. Azumabito, 東人, literally "people/person (of) east". So that could be a thing. By the way, in manga it's written as アズマビト, without the characters which are the ones having meaning, but we all know how it would be written. Especially with country's name being Hizuru, a slight variation of the old name for Japan. Hi-izuru, 日出, the "sun come out" country. So to summarize, translation differences come from amount translated and how literal and pushy translator wants to be. Oh, and there's also the annoying characteristic of the language. The one where we constantly omit the subject. Sometimes people get confused what's the subject. For example, pretty much all phrases translated as "he/she/they/specific person came" are actually just "came" when we say it. Not saying everything, keeping things obscure, needing to read between the lines, all that is how we constantly communicate. It's made possible through sharing same cultural expectations and knowledge of typical moments. We just know that with certain wording the subject must be this, or that. With a certain word choice and choice of the degree of politeness (we have three distinct forms of polite speech, standard semi-polite speech, speech to an equal, and rude speech) the subject and nuances are obvious. To us. To a non-native? Not sure. Well, I think I'll stop around here)) Maybe add something later, probably not though. There's too much I could say on the topic of translation.

石原 悟

now we know im's type

jeyson Fritz

Kruger Jaeger lmao 😂

Philipp Bruche

Very well put. Not enough people understand that the scriptwriter decides what is cut writing-wise, not MAPPA.

Yume

What a rare occasion. I actually disagree with one interpretation. To me, Uri was talking about the "humanity" inside the walls. At any time "humanity" was mentioned back then in conversation between Eldians on Paradis, it always referred just to them. Since no one knew about the outside world, but still. There's no reason for Uri talking about creating paradise inside the walls to Kenny to suddenly talk about humanity as a whole. Besides, if I remember correctly, he said "in the not too distant future, this world will crumble". This world. Not the world. There was another time when the distinction was made, by Reiner actually. Season 2 episode 6. On the walls. As I recall the translation went like "our goal was to ensure the humanity was exterminated" or something. But Reiner said something slightly different. He said "our goal was to ensure this humanity was exterminated". He made the distinction. I remember this clearly because I have pointed it out a couple times over the years. So it's been a trend in AoT that when important characters say "this world" or "this humanity" it's for a reason. Karl Fritz definitely believed that the retribution by Marley will come eventually. Anyone would've believed that, knowing the history at the time. No way Marley would ignore the ex-oppressors/rulers for eternity. It's only natural to want a revenge. And it's also a human nature to hate what you fear. A whole race which can transform into human eating giants? All it takes is some serum, or maybe even just a shout from Founder? I mean, they had to be transforming all the centuries ago, without enough scientific knowledge to create serums. And wall titans are too same. The size. Founding must have been able to do quite a lot to Eldians, if it can even erase everyone's memories at once. So no way humans will be able to live in peace knowing that Eldians exist. It simply ain't human nature. Especially not when history proves that Eldians can be vicious and brutal just like humans. Apart from titanism they are humans with all the faults, after all. So I always took that Uri scene as talking just about the "world" inside the walls, the "humanity" inside the walls.

石原 悟

No more YouTube links, people were leaking his videos to 3rd party websites by sharing the YouTube link. At most, he gives you a link to the video on YouTube a few hours before the video releases to the public, but not a week before like previously.

Just sat for 2 straight hours watching Im's beautiful face! Thank you for taking your time with this episode's discussion. It was well worth the wait!

Åsmund Bergsbakk

You talked about everything I wanted to listen from you! Keep the good work, t\hanks!

mangacho

That's what I thought also.

Fukurou

It would be good if Sephizen could link it to us all :) Also, I think it's important to criticize something if you love it (AoT, Mappa, etc...). I'm planing to reading the whole manga when the anime ends, looking forward to buying the Colossal Editions, but they are really expensive where I live. 😅

Fukurou

Finished it. You talked about anything I could think of regarding this episode and how it links to other episodes as expected. Messing up Krugers name there at the end made me laugh so hard. Worth the wait.

Rinne

Tell me why I laughed so hard at your sudden digression about the maid's attractiveness

Candy Z

YT link?

R A

I'm not the biggest fan but critiquing them is bein treated like a cardinal sin rn so i just added that part to ward off any antsy people... 0.0

Elise Flanagan

people hate mappa

R

Regarding Tybur‘s lie about Eren being able to use the founding titan: It‘s possible that he actually thinks this way and is not actively lying because Reiner told them after he came back. Reiner has no idea about that royal blood rule, all he saw was Eren randomly being able to use it so he probably reported it like that.

Zero 陰陽

Let's go! I'll have to watch this in parts lol. Btw I hope you read the chapters for the episodes you cover after you're done watching them. I know people love MAPPA, but I've noticed them rushing the pacing of many moments including Reiner and Eren's confrontation in the basement, as well as some odd changes to little things like people's facial expressions that amount to what I feel are big departures from their manga characterization (Eren's reactions to Willy's speech are a big example of this). Maybe Sephizen can link you the chapters that are good for you to read? At any rate, Isayama's original work in this arc is maybe the best in the series, so I strongly encourage you to read his chapters after each episode to get the fullest experience!

Elise Flanagan

Yes, it's from the episode "Friends" I believe. A shot of the two also appears in this episode.

Elise Flanagan

Wait... Is that the image with Uri and Kenny in the background?

floxer

Finally a movie night boys

Homun

LETS GOOO

xRyann_

Grab your popcorn boys

Will Watches

I've been looking forward to this so much it's crazy. Good bless

BrokenArrow

The latest movie from FilmBuff

StabKingPro

never clicked so fast in my life...2hr discussion lets go!!!!

ming

h y p e

jibbmn

Lets gooooo

Zero 陰陽