Early Access - Attack on Titan 4x8 (Post Episode)

No he wouldn’t hesitate. The suicide charge has changed him. He would have thrown Gabi and Falco off the blimp if he was in charge.

Joe

You can't deduce that from his actions. Currently he got a very simple modus operandi. Anyone not from Paradis is an enemy, regardless of sex and age. We don't know how he would react to a kid from Paradis pulling gun on him. He very well might hesitate. Or not. Too little info to discern that.

石原 悟

I like Floch, he's someone who wouldn't underestimate children and people like Jean and Sasha need to learn from him.

David

In that case I think the anime version is better. She seems more like a broken person in the anime, less healthy etc. Reminds me of myself to be honest, as I think of myself as fairly robotic partly for circumstances I had no control over. This means a greater possible growth arc. Too early to really call it yet, but I'm pointing out possibility, and also projecting myself quite a lot.

David

I tell him to avoid a post's comment section. I'm not awake 24/7 and sitting here refreshing Patreon like this was my job or something though so it's obviously not ideal. Just gotta hope people follow basic courtesy ultimately.

@john Thank you friend! I know that Sephizen can't delete comments on Patreon (only Im can) so that's why I asked him if the comments under this video were safe :) which is a bummer... But it seems like Im's patreons are being fair haha

Taekom

@Sephizen Thank you so much! :) Sorry for bothering you with spoilers all the time..

Taekom

oh? What do you do if someone is being a jerk about something? Do you just tell Filmbuff to avoid the comment section? I knew you are the trusted Mod. But what do you do if someone refuses to be reasonable?

John

I can't delete comments on Patreon unfortunately, there's no moderation features on this website.

I'm pretty sure Sephizen manually deletes comments that aren't acceptable. So as long as you don't go into the comment section before Sephizen then you should be fine.

John

Ah yes you are absolutely right! I accidentally skimmed past that part when I was rechecking, I thought it was only Kitz that threatened to execute people, but indeed Lobov does it as well even earlier. Thanks for clearing that up.

Karlsson

Yeah, the comments are fine.

Hey Sephizen, are you there? Could you read the comments above and tell me if there are spoilers please? I would like to read them and you're the only one I trust haha. Thank you very much!

Taekom

Sasuga Filmbuff! Yet another perfect game.

Annatar

@Kevin Karlsson yes, I was referring to that guy! He was ready to draw his sword in the manga (chapter 12), I never said he drew his sword, just that he was ready to, and I'm pretty sure they used the same scene in the anime (season 1 episode 11).

drkm9

I think you are all 3 mistaken, it is neither Kitz or the guy from Orvud District. I think the confusion comes since he appears in the same scene where Kitz draws his swords, but its not Kitz himself. Slightly prior that scene -before it gets very escalated- you see Lobov expressing surprise at what Pyxis is saying, and then later he tries to grab Daz when he freaks out and turns away. Here's a few frames https://imgur.com/a/Ar1tTPB

Karlsson

Yeah, English wiki has Lobov as the one ready to cut down deserters for some reason, but that's not true. Japanese community isn't sure if we have seen Lobov before, but some do point out the resemblance to Orubudo District Garrison Regiment Commander, which was the one complaining to Erwin in Season 3.

石原 悟

Are you talking about the scene after Pixis' speech? That wasn't Lobov, that was Kitz Weilman. Lobov was the commander from S3 that attacked Erwin for suggesting that they should use civilians as bait for Rod's titan.

Xlash

There’s 10 hr versions as well with relaxing music in the background and people in the comments saying its still not enough. People really don’t like Gabi.

Spooderman Xx[MLG]xX

Also something i wanted to point out, the Scouts that are charging at Gabi and Falco to beat the living shit out of them, if you look at their faces right as they're charging at them they almost look like mindless titans, they got that mindless titan facial expression to a T

IronWoodkid

Not to mention a blog titled "Gabi Braun must die" that's been out there for years, and is fairly well known. Some people are savages.

石原 悟

Definitely. It's always like that. Abstract atrocities you only heard about and things that happened up close and personal have different weight for people. It's not logical but emotional thing. And people operate on emotions.

石原 悟

Fun Fact: Lobov was a member of the Garrison before he joined the Survey Corps. He first appeared back in season 1 at the battle of Trost. He was the one who overheard a trainee soldier threatening to flee and confronted him. When the trainee reiterates his intentions to leave, Lobov was ready to draw his swords, threatening to execute him if he leaves!

drkm9

You may notice one interesting detail about Zeke’s glasses if you rewatch season 4 episode 3.

Roman Ostashov

You think the Scouts beating up Falco and Gabi is sickening? The internet would disagree with you, cause they took that scene and looped it and made 1 hour long video of just scouts beating up a -checks notes- 12 year old kid. That video has almost half a million views...

IronWoodkid

I 100% agree with you. Awesome comment.

Ivan Chicharro

The most under rated line of this season, and honestly I think the show, is Gabi's line of "Did you see it? Neither did I" To me it seemed like a parallel to the viewer. Not so much Filmbuff, as he reacts to these things in a unique way. Most people reacted to Gabi killing Sasha with a hatred of her character. Even going as far as attacking the VA. She killed one of the most beloved characters of the show. The common reaction I saw of reactors around YouTube, and through the discussion boards of episodes, or little clips on TikTok is "wow Gabi is just stupid and ignorant." While it's ignorant, I wouldn't necessarily call it stupid. What I really love about that line is the parallel it has with the viewer. For three seasons you grew with the scouts, but when it comes to the Marley, you've only seen these characters for eight episodes. The viewer has less of a reaction to Pieck, Galliard, or the citizens being murdered in cold blood because they haven't seen them. Take the gate guards that stopped Gabi. I love this example because Gabi is obviously supposed to represent Eren, and the gate guards can represent Hannes. When Hannes dies it's a really sad, influential moment to the season. So influential it's still being brought up, even in this season. But when the gate guards die, its usually an exciting moment because "yay Sasha is back." We don't care about this death because we haven't seen them. The gates being broke down by Marley, and the 2000 year history of Marley, and the attack on Liberio are one in the same. Both are using the power of the titans to murder and devastate cultures and races. We hold Marley accountable, and hate them for it because we've seen what has happened for three seasons straight. But when it comes to the scouts actions, we don't have any predisposition hated for them. We don't care that the 100 years ago eldians had the world enslaved, and we don't care that the citizens of Liberio are being trampled for simply existing because "did you see it? Neither did I"

thelil hedgehog

I don't know if you read the comments as to avoid potential spoilers, but if you do I just want to let you know you're probably the best creator on here atm. The most quality shit I've ever seen in my life honestly, the thought process is insane, and you call things I'd never think to connect.

thelil hedgehog

The one complaint I've ever had with WIT studios is how they basically made Mikasa a machine. Her only care was Ereh and making sure he was safe, but in the manga she actually is shown to have a good relationship with her squamates, especially Sasha.

thelil hedgehog

To be fair, I like Gabi too...she is quite entertaining. I don't think Isayama intended his audience to like/dislike her, I remember him saying in an interview that how the audience views a character is up to them, an author cannot control a reader's interpretation of a story/character. I find the hatred to be very immature to be honest. She is correctly portrayed as an indoctrinated child soldier who is very proficient in her skills. Since we, the audience, have been exposed to both the sides and can feel sympathy for both the sides, the maturity should lie with the audience, not with the characters of the story. Besides, if everyone was a great guy like Jean and Falco, the story would be boring. We need characters like Gabi and Floch to portray the different facets of humanity and how different people approach the same problem.

Shiro

Thank you for the reply, that is most illuminating! Yes, I can see that...translating research, news, official documents requires precision and accuracy, while translating for a story, fiction, one can often take a few liberties (in words, interpretations, etc.)

Shiro

Netero, you sure that's not just your own impressions? I liked Gabi since day 1, so that unlikable part is already objectively false, and thus not applicable to everyone. She does think high of herself, but what's wrong with that? She backs her talk. Top grades, successful mission in battle to take out an armoured train, even in battle for Liberio she's responsible for 1/4 of casualties sustained by Scouts. Almost MVP in terms of effectiveness, second only to Pieck. And I don't recall her thinking everyone else is trash. On the contrary, she respects quite a few of her superiors. And family members. Or perhaps you're taking her speech to Magath literally and assume she must think of others as trash to say that? Dunno man. I've seen plenty of Gabi haters over the years, ever since the Sasha incident. No one spoke of her like that till she took out Sasha. Though people were annoyed with her "protagonist density" and constant desire to slaughter "our team". So in my eyes that rhetoric got added later. To add insults cuz "she killed potato girl" sounds kinda weak for the amount of hatred Gabi started receiving. I guess people subconsciously understand the absurdity of their claims and also subconsciously try to add ore reasons to justify their attitude.

石原 悟

most hate her bec Gabi is an unlikable bitch who thinks she's hot shit and that everyone else is trash.

Netero

Moreover, the 4 years time skip definitely made the 104th members closer together. So we should expect a deeper connection between them all than that we had in the past three seasons

Rayan

Tbf the author intends for everybody to hate Gabi, it's obvious. That will change.

Cameron Mason

On Reddit most people still understand her. Doesnt change that shes hated for it tho

k.lam

There might be some kind of rule of thumb, but since I never received formal training/education in translating I'm not aware of such things. Besides, different languages have different rules. So depending on base language and language you translate to there will be different approaches. English is my third language, so I generally avoid translating into English and may be unaware of more than I think. Regarding translation approaches. There's also the matter of genre. That too leaves an impact on one's style, I think. I was translating news and footage for news when I first started doing this for a living. Creating subs. Doing research. Translating the research. That tends to make one conscious of wording and gives inclination to keep everything as close to original as possible (at least it did for me). Now I'm translating in nuclear energy field. Lectures, meetings, sometimes official experiment reports. That too tends to demand being specific and not taking liberties. You know, when translating something like " solid solution (Zr, U,…)O2, cubic lattice, Fm-3m space group, lattice parameters vary from 0.514 nm to 0.523 nm. The peaks of this phase are of low intensity; the estimate of their quantitative content does not exceed 15%." you can't really do it like "solid solution of ZrO2 with U, kinda cubic, belongs to F something group, approx. 0.5 for parameters. Not too much of it, and peaks weren't impressive.")))) Not in official report. So perhaps my tendency to be more precise stems from all that background.

石原 悟

Im: “Even though it led to the death of one of our OG favorites, you can totally understand Gabi’s point of view.” Entire internet: “That’s where you’re wrong, kiddo.”

Ryan Crumley

And the "Sasha farted" joke near the start of the series.

Conor

If you go back to some episodes, you can actually see that Sasha and Mikasa had a special bond. Mikasa fed her back in season 1, or when the scouts got their freedom back in season 3, everyone cheered but Mikasa and Sasha hugged. It makes her reaction here even more sad

Jazzy

Yup 100% how I feel! I’m nervous 😬

A (Daddy Daichi)

Yo this was a really fantastic discussion. I just want to share that this was an absolute BOMBSHELL of a chapter when it dropped. This was actually one of my favorite chapters of the manga. Gabi was even more controversial to the manga community because readers had basically waited nearly a year to see the Paradis crew since the start of the first Marley chapter - not six episodes haha! I remember a lot of early feedback on Gabi BEFORE this moment was people being annoyed at what they thought was a replacement Walmart Eren 😂 and then finally seeing the crew after a year since the chapters release monthly, then she kills a fan favorite. The anime community has reacted strongly to this episode, but not quite as strong as how I remember the manga readers’ reactions. Also Zeke’s foggy glasses are definitely a visual motif that I feel Isayama used in the manga, there’s a few standout panels of Zeke in early Marley arc pre-Declaration of War that I’m remembering. I’m glad to see it carry over Not much else I can actually say. Really good discussion. Dude if you catch up? You might be able to join Shingeki Sundays soon! No rush on the great content!

Sarah S

That’s interesting... is there a general rule of thumb to follow while translating? For instance, do not use the subject (use passive voice) unless the subject is specified with certainty? I guess the translator has to use his/her own discretion... if you know the entire story, then great! If not, I can see how some lines can be a cause for future misinterpretation... interesting! Thanks for the reply and the additional note, I’ll keep my ears open as well to watch out for what they say specifically (given my limited knowledge of the language)!

Shiro

Oh, it was different in manga? Guess that translator was closer to my style then)) Interestingly enough, what I said about not specifying subject also applies to English in some cases. Like we see in this episode. Let's say I had to translate English subs into Japanese for this episode without prior knowledge of original. The line when Levi said "Cheer up. Everything went as you planned for." There's a problem. Did Levi say "you" in plural sense or not? In English it works both ways, in Japanese we must specify "you" to be plural or not. So which one was it? Now I have two choices. 1) Interpret it my own way and translate. 2) Do not translate "you" at all and make it into "Cheer up. Everything went as planned for". Honestly, I would've taken the first route here and translated it as "Cheer up. Everything went as you (Eren) planned for." Because that's just how it would've appeared to me right after Levi and Eren talking how the plan was described in letters that Eren sent. And I try as much as possible to keep everything said in source lines. And that would've been a mistranslation. Because Levi said "you" in one of the plural forms as he looked into the corner Zeke was steaming at. "Everything went as you (guys) planned for" is what he said. So you'd have an English version of me typing out essays on how that's a mistranslation and translator shouldn't inject their own erroneous interpretations into what can be left ambiguous)))

石原 悟

Also I'm not sure are you considering it a spoiler, but I give it a try. Sasha was actually ment to die back in season 2, when she saved that girl in the village. But I believe manga editor was so heartbroken (to tears) that Isayama changed the scene and made her getting out of that.

Владислав Черниенко

A ton of interesting takes. Once again, you are proving yourself being absolute goat at this. You instantly got Eren's laugh situation, Gabi's motivation and importance of it ("have you see it?"), Floch's nessesary pov, Armin's take on things, Zeke's mistery (also awesome take on glasses, never thought of it), Yelena's and Onyankopon's involvement. Among these things reactor's usually miss a majority, but you got all of them, it's truly amazing how invested you are. A cool little thing that you didn't mention is Jean instantly don't hesitate to shoot Gabi right there. But once she is harmless, he is being realistic responsible higher-up, as he should be.

Владислав Черниенко

I think he would’ve understood his actions. Agreeing with them is a different story tho.

Chelle

the soundtrack at the end was the one they played after everyone joined the scouts and got their capes, and Eren saw Marco as part of the group with his own cape. I just noticed it recently on a different reaction, and I actually think it's extremely fitting.

Mahni Alizadeh

She said Niku and in the manga the kanji is used, so there's no double meaning. And pleeease don't reference stuff Im hasn't seen yet, he doesn't want to be given any expectations (although we know he's seen Ep9)

LEX the Lexicon Artist

Denis Kabantsov

feel like it was a pretty innocent teaser but okay, noted I guess.

Why It

I would like to hear your thought about what would Erwin do if he was still alive. Do you think he would understand Eren? After all, someone who can't abandon his humanity, can't change anything. Even Armin said this to Eren when he was about to start fighting Annie.

Eduardo Paz

....because he's the moderator..?

Ryan Shearer

I feel like at this point you're gonna spoil me with your theories - and I'm caught up with the manga lol You're just THAT good

Luminarya

Zeke really does concern me. I always think he's playing 8D chess and is just double-double-double-crossing everyone at all times, and it's scary. I have no idea what he's planning and despite him being on Paradis' side for now, I find it hard to fully trust him. I guess that makes me like Levi in this situation.

LEX the Lexicon Artist

You can look it up if you want, Raymond. Ayane Sakura did receive death threats for this episode.

Michelle

i completely agree

Raymond O

Once again another brilliant reaction! 1) "Floch is necessary, and his perspective is necessary." Damn Im, that was a beautiful way of putting it. A lot of people hate him and Gabi, and I see none of that hatred in you, which makes me feel like you're a really compassionate person IRL too. 2) "You totally understand Gabi's perspective, as much as it hurts." I love your take on this, because at no point in the episode did you ever get angry at Gabi (unlike other reactors), since you see where she's coming from, and yet at no point did you condone her actions. I think you really understand Isayama's call to understand characters from all sides of the story, even if it's not convenient with your own feelings. It's even more impressive because you clearly love all these characters, yet you're able to appraise them with an objective eye too. 3) Your thoughts on Falco and Gabi's conversation and the weight of it really make me look forward to you discussing their interactions going forward. 4) I never realized Eren could be seeing the future when those shocked expressions emerged. I always just thought they were moments that brought out emotion in him. Now I have a new theory thanks to you!

LEX the Lexicon Artist

Thats cap. No one has done that at all. That's just some bs assumption that the glorified "holy" side of the fandom made up just to make the whole fandom look worse than it already is

Raymond O

how do you know hes seen it?

Raymond O

can you believe that there is people that do hour long analisis per episode and didnt see at all the clues about zeke. not filmbuff tho, you are the best man

jeyson Fritz

I would say after the mystery of the basement, Zeke is the most mysterious character of AoT :) I find him so fascinating as well!

Shiro

Very ludicrous. Not a fan of Gabi but I don't hate her. I do however love the VA's voice. She's amazing and is doing a fantastic job.

A (Daddy Daichi)

Thank you so much to our in-house translator (sorry, I cannot read your username!), your inputs really enhance my overall experience of the story. As someone who loves languages, it is very very interesting to see the subtle changes that arise due to different translations and their interpretations. Actually, that line that you mentioned Eren say ("I cannot kill Reiner") was weird when I saw it in the anime...it was translated differently in the manga (the way you wrote it). It gave the impression that Eren was out of time and couldn't defeat Reiner then, I don't know why they chose to translate it this way in the anime. Thanks again, looking forward to reading about more hidden nuggets from you! :)

Shiro

Loved what you said about Zeke's glasses. While I was kind of excited to find out Zeke was a sleeper agent himself after having my own suspicions earlier this season, he's still a mystery to me. Kind of scares me a little. What is his end goal exactly? Can't wait to find out! Unfortunately, I was spoiled for this episode but it still brought tears to my eyes. Love Sasha so much.

A

Just purchased your patreon

Raymond O

Your discussion about Eren is Godtier Jesus. As a manga reader u are teaching me stuff

D.j. Lachmandas

I feel slightly bad for those people who want Gabi to die a horrible death. Here's how I see it. Ever since season 4, we've been given only the opposing perspective on things. Only the "enemy" side. For 3 seasons we followed the Scouts in their battle against Titans, government, "traitors" and Horse Throwing Monkey. Now we're forced to relate to those who did all the horrible things in prior seasons. Forced to look at them as protagonists of their own story. While seeing no Scouts we got used to cheer for. And after 5 long episodes we finally get to see the epic Scout action again. Finally. The heroes are back. Go Eren, go Mikasa, go Jean, go Armin! It was nice and all to get to know some Marlean side, but hey, we're team Paradis. Now that our true protagonists are back we don't have to relate to continental side anymore. We hate Marley. We think Gabi is brainwashed and dumb. We feel bad for Reiner, but hey, you reap what you sow. Eren was epic, attack was a success, whatever the plan might be it worked out, and the unthinkable happens. A dumb, annoying brat kills Sasha! Our favourite! The Potato Eater! Even though Sasha spared the damn brat's life! We don't care what that stupid kid feels. She's wrong in following Marley anyway. She's dense and doesn't understand that our protagonists have every right to kill innocents (who are guilty by association, duh), take their revenge, and finally be on the offensive after 100 years of being tortured by Marley sending all those titans over. Unforgivable. Gabi should've accepted the righteous fist of revenge descending upon her wretched nation. She's a psychopathic murderer who committed war crimes. She's irrelevant. Sasha is our goddess. Die Gabi! Die! Yarrr! ↑That's what their thought process looks like to me. People who got confused by the turn of events finally got to latch on to familiar narrative. Us vs them. Scouts are the heroes. And suddenly the vile enemy killed one of comrades. Just as everything seemed to be back to normal. So in that sense the shock is kinda understandable. Kinda. Those people are obviously missing the important theme of AoT. Probably because nothing suggested it at first when AoT seemed to be about teenagers flying around with swords hacking mindless titans. Simple world, simple times. Bet they hated Reiner for the "betrayal" back in the day.

石原 悟

He's seen episode 9, but don't type comments alluding to future episodes. He's not ahead in recording enough for you to just casually talk about the next episode at all times and there's some people who watch along with him.

Why It

A small thing to give more perspective on. Since it was brought up in discussion. When Eren says "At this point, I can't exactly kill Reiner," literal translation is "It's likely not possible to kill Reiner at this point." As the shot shows close up of Reiner's face, it gives off the feeling that indeed, Reiner wouldn't go down no matter what. Even in that battered state. So the first impression for a native speaker is that it would take too much time and energy to take out Reiner considering the blimp is already overhead and moving out. Especially with Eren mentioning lack of strength to continue fighting. And that look on Reiner's face. It still keeps open the possibility of Eren meaning something else apart from simply stating it's a task too difficult for the circumstances, but... That's not the impression one gets from original statement. I'm still baffled sometimes by the constant need of translators to specify the subject even when literal translation seems to be clear enough. Our language does have this obnoxious characteristic of tending to omit the subject (and many more "obvious" things) when communicating, so some lines do need to be specified in translation. On a side note, I've seen hilariously mistaken translations where translators themselves misunderstood the subject and the end result makes no sense. In this case, since there are only two characters on the battlefield who would potentially want to take out Reiner, we feel no need to specify who's gonna be doing the killing. There are only Eren and Mikasa. Who else? No one. So why bother stating "I", "you, Mikasa", or even "we"? It's "obvious" who Eren might be referring to as subject. Especially since when you do specify the subject the wording becomes so specific it opens up different interpretations. "I don't think you (Mikasa) can kill Reiner at this point." "I don't think I can kill Reiner at this point." "I don't think we can kill Reiner at this point." They all sound slightly different, don't they? First one sounds like Eren's gonna let Mikasa do the job while he... while he does what? Chill?)) Second one is the official route translation took. You saw more than one interpretation in the discussion. Third one is more mellow and closer to original. Innocent enough at first glance, but implying Eren fully expects Mikasa to help him fight Reiner. Reiterating his "trust" in that she'll do the fighting when he wants her to. As she did against War Hammer and Jaw. Slightly different nuances in each case. Unless translator is in touch with Isayama, there's no way to know which one is correct. Which one is more in line with future events. So personally, I would've went with literal translation here. Since all of the above are implied and not specified in original dialogue. I'd rather keep it vague and true to what we get out of it on first hearing, rather than insert my own interpretation when literal translation should be clear enough to communicate the main idea. That's just my style of translating.

石原 悟

I still stand by my opinion. The people that want Gabi dead are the people who would have done exactly what Gabi did this episode if they were in that situation. The people that hate Gabi enough to wish for the death of a 12 year old are the type of people that would kill a "Sasha" like person infront of them given the chance.

John

He not only understood Eren's laughter, but also catched that other scouts didn't know the meaning of it. His reaction is certainly on another level.

Choyongmin

Totally agree with Cornberry

Fukurou

People really thought that? Damn. That was such an easy thing to understand just by paying a little attention.

Cornberry

Glad you understood Eren's laughter and didn't just think he found Sashas death funny like some other people.

Conor

People actually sent death threats to Gabi’s VA over this episode. Isn’t that ridiculous? Not only did they miss the entire point of Gabi as character and the situation she was in, but they chose to take their anger out on someone that has done nothing but voice her beautifully. It’s a real shame some people can be so childish. Anyway, amazing discussion as always, you nailed everything once again. I’m very interested to see how you’ll interpret future events as well. Looking forward to this Sunday :)

Chelle

Gonna miss you Potato girl :(

Mati D.

Wow, the analogy with Zeke's glasses is so interesting, I love it

GeorgeYTG