Early Access - Neon Genesis Evangelion | Episode 24 "The Final Messenger" Reaction & Review
Added 2023-10-10 22:27:03 +0000 UTC
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The music been beethoven symphony 9.
Andy Lyu
2023-10-15 15:51:15 +0000 UTCThe second draft summary for this episode is below. It's a lot more like the canon episode, so I'm guessing it was made at a much later date. Svefg fprar vf Zvfngb ernpgvat gur arjf gung gur Svsgu Puvyq jvyy ercynpr Nfhxn, jvgu Traqb/Shlhgfhxv gryyvat ure gb fraq Nfhxn onpx gb Treznal. Traqb pbyqyl erznexf gung ur unf ab arrq sbe fbzrguvat hfryrff. Fprar gung raqrq hc orvat gur ortvaavat bs guvf rcvfbqr, rkprcg vg'f yrff flzobyvp naq zber yvgreny. Nfhxn ergheaf ubzr naq pnyyf sbe ure zbgure ohg pna'g svaq ure. Fprar genafvgvbaf vagb Zvfngb naq Arei'f zrqvpny grnz qvfpbirevat Nfhxn nyzbfg pngngbavp ercrngvat gur pbapyhfvba bs gur pnaba qvnybthr. Fur'f pneevrq njnl ba n fgergpure. Zvfngb gryyf n jbeevrq Fuvawv gung Nfhxn vf whfg srryvat n ovg hajryy, juvpu yrnirf uvz qvfgehfgshy naq zber jbeevrq. Fnzr Evgfhxb naq Traqb pbairefngvba sebz guvf rcvfbqr, ohg jvgu nqqvgvbany yvarf hfvat gur gbl/qbyyf zbgvs. Fuvawv unf n avtugzner nobhg gur Erv qhzzvrf. Gbxlb-3 vf qrfgeblrq yvxr va pnaba. Vafgrnq bs Xnjbeh uhzzvat, ur urnef uvz cynlvat cvnab naq svaqf uvz va gur tlzanfvhz. Xnjbeh fnlf ur'f n genafsre fghqrag gung tbg yrsg oruvaq, naq gung gur jvaq fbhaqf yvxr gur fbhyf bs qrnq puvyqera, gura ur qvfnccrnef juvyr Fuvawv ybbxf njnl. Zvfngb vagebqhprf Xnjbeh gb Erv naq Fuvawv, jub vf fhecevfrq ur'f gur Svsgu Puvyq. Fnzr pbaiiefngvba orgjrra Zvfngb naq Znln qhevat gur flapu grfg, gura fvzvyne fubjre fprar orgjrra Fuvawv naq Xnjbeh ohg jvgu n ovg zber sehfgengvba, n zragvba bs Fuvawv cynlvat pryyb, naq Fuvawv trggvat n ybg zber syhfgrerq nsgre Xnjbeh ubyqf uvf unaq - ur snvagf gura vg'f gur orq fprar. Gurl znxr n cebzvfr gb cynl zhfvp gbtrgure nsgre gur cvybg grfgf naq gura xvff. Fnzr Zvfngb naq Ulhtn pbairefngvba ba Xnjbeh, gura fvzvyne Xnjbeh naq Erv fprar, ohg nf ur unaqf ure n sybjpuneg gurl znxr pbagnpg naq obgu unir n ernyvmngvba. Va gur fgneghc grfg, Havg-02 tbrf orefrex naq rfpncrf (guvf vf jura gurl svaq bhg Xnjbeh vf na natry -- Fuvawv unf gur fnzr ernpgvba npebff nyy guerr irefvbaf). Erv vf ernql gb cvybg Fuvawv'f Rin nf fur haqrefgnaqf ur jba'g or noyr gb xvyy Xnjebh ohg ur chfurf ure nfvqr naq nffregf uvzfrys nf gur cvybg bs Havg-01. Vg svtugf jvgu Havg-02 yvxr va pnaba. Xnjbeh fnlf ur'q or unccl gb qvr va Fuvawv'f unaqf naq gung ur'f qvfnccbvagrq gurl pbhyqa'g cynl gurve zhfvp vafgehzragf gbtrgure. Bu, V sbetbg gb zragvba guvf va gur svefg qensg (gubhtu V zragvbarq Xnjbeh'f vafgvapg gb qvir vagb Nqnz/Yvyyvgu gurer, juvpu vf nyfb cerfrag urer), ohg Xnjbeh npghnyyl tbrf gb znxr pbagnpg naq vg'f bayl gura qbrf Fuvawv xvyy uvz. Irel qvssrerag sebz gur svany fprar bs gur ybat fubg bs Fuvawv univat gb znxr n pubvpr naq pbafvqre rirelguvat, va obgu qensgf vg'f n fcyvg frpbaq qrpvfvba. Va obgu qensgf gurer'f oybbq, juvpu qbrfa'g znxr vgf jnl vagb gur pnaba. Ulhtn erzbirf gur frys-qrfgehpg xrl. FRRYR znxr cynaf gb trg evq bs Traqb.
tom
2023-10-15 00:42:09 +0000 UTCAnother comment mentioned the Episode 24 original draft, so I looked it up and ended up reading the whole initial plot outline LOL. I wanted to just see how the Kaworu-Shinji stuff differed, but ended up giving my overall thoughts. Either way, it's below if anyone wants to read it. I ROT-ified it because I don't think it's a good idea to put a completely alternate version of the story out where Im can read it before he's had a chance to fully process the actual story, let alone complete it. The following is just the first draft, I'll probably do a quick summary of the second draft in a reply. Gur svefg guvat gung pnhtug zl rlr (orsber guvf ghearq vagb n fhzznel) jnf Evgfhxb naq Fuvawv pung juvyr jnvgvat sbe gur genva, (pyrneyl n irel rneyl cybg bhgyvar; Nfhxn nyfb unfa'g ena njnl rvgure, naq gur fpubby vf fgvyy ehaavat) naq evtug nsgre Evgfhxb gryyf Fuvawv ur'yy xabj jung vg'f yvxr gb snyy va ybir bar qnl fur tbrf "Naq urer'f gur Svsgu Puvyq", yby. Vg'f zhpu yrff vfbyngrq birenyy. Fuvawv vf pnhtug bss thneq ol uvf "ornhgl" ng svefg ohg gura V guvax trgf fyvtugyl wrnybhf? (vf "tybbzl" nf Xnjbeh vagebqhprf uvzfrys gb gur bgure gjb cvybgf). Ohg gur erny wrnybhfl pbzrf sebz Nfhxn nf Xnjbeh qbrf gur genafsre fghqrag guvat naq vf vafgnagyl cbchyne, trggvat zber nggragvba guna Nfhxn. Gung npghnyyl jbhyq'ir orra na vagrerfgvat cybg ryrzrag, va n ulcbgurgvpny rkgraqrq Rinatryvba V pna frr na bireync bs cybgf jurer Xnjbeh'f cbchynevgl pbagevohgrf gb Nfhxn'f jbefravat zragny fgngr. Gura nf gurl'er jnyxvat ubzr va gur enva, Fuvawv fnirf Xnjbeh jvgu na hzoeryyn naq gurl jnyx sebz fpubby gb Arei gbtrgure juvyr gur sbezre oyhfurf. Vg'f rira tnlre va guvf fpevcg, yby. Bbbu, gura nf Nfhxn vf rntre gb onggyr/genva, fur'f gbyq gb fgnl oruvaq naq gung Xnjbeh jvyy cvybg Havg-02. Vagrerfgvat, fb rira va gur rneyl qensgf ur qvqa'g unir uvf bja Rin havg. Ntnva pbagevohgvat gb gung Nfhxn wrnybhfl V bofreirq rneyvre. Evgfhxb naq Znln gura qvfphff gung orpnhfr bs Xnjbeh'f flapu engrf, ur'yy cebonoyl ercynpr Nfhxn creznaragyl ng fbzr cbvag. YBY qrsvavgryl fhccbfrq gb or tnl. Bar bs gur tveyf gryyf Nfhxn gung Fuvawv naq Xnjbeh orvat gbtrgure fb zhpu vf "fhfcvpvbhf" (V srry yvxr V'ir urneq gung glcr bs vaqverpg jnl gb ersre gb ubzbfrkhnyvgl va bgure navzr), naq gurer'f ehzbef nobhg gur gjb bs gurz. Nfhxn qbrfa'g ernpg jryy gb guvf (fb Xnjbeh ercynprf Erv nf ebznagvp pbzcrgvgvba). Bu sbetbg gb zragvba rneyvre ohg Xrafhxr ivfvgf Gbwv va gur ubfcvgny va na rneyvre fprar, naq gura abj ur fnlf gb Fuvawv ur jnagf gb pryroengr Gbwv orvat qvfpunetrq ohg Fuvawv vf nibvqnag. Fuvawv naq Xnjbeh gnxr n fjvz, gur nhgb-genafyngr vf uvynevbhf: "Xnjbeh'f fhccyr yvzof rzretr sebz gur fcnexyr ba gur jngre'f fhesnpr. Fuvawv pna'g uryc ohg nqzver ure nccrnenapr. Xnjbeh nqinaprf shegure naq shegure vagb gur bprna, ohg ure tveysevraq, Fuvawv, vf hanoyr gb xrrc hc naq fur fgbcf". Fuvawv nyzbfg qebjaf, Xnjbeh fnirf uvz. Fuvawv zbabybthrf nobhg uvf frys-ungerq (V guvax ur vf nyfb wrnybhf bs Xnjbeh ohg vg'f abg na nggragvba guvat yvxr Nfhxn vg'f n pbasvqrapr guvat, yvxr jung Vz fnvq nobhg uvz jvfuvat ur pbhyq or yvxr uvz naq Xnwv). Xnjbeh fnlf ur qbrfa'g jnag gb pnhfr Fuvawv nalzber cnva fb gurl fubhyq tb ubzr frcnengryl. Nfhxn gevrf gb purre Fuvawv hc (znlor fvzvyneyl gb Zvfngb va gur zvqqyr bs rc23?) ohg ur fznpxf ure unaq njnl naq vf natel ng ure sbe fcernqvat ehzbef nobhg ur naq Xnjbeh. Zvfngb naq Evgfhxb qvfphff Fuvawv'f qrcerffvba, naq Evgfhxb qrqhprf gung Zvfngb vf wrnybhf bs Xnjbeh sbe fgrnyvat Fuvawv... Gurl'er vagreehcgrq ol gur jneavatf bs Xnjebh jnyxvat gb Prageny Qbtzn. Havg-02 vf erjevggra gb svg Nfhxn, ohg fur pna'g trg ure flapu engvb uvtu rabhtu [ng svefg V gubhtug vg jnf Xnjbeh biregnxvat Havg-02, ohg Nfhxn frrzf gb fyhzc qbja, qrcerffrq]. Traqb naq Shlhgfhxv ragre gur pbzznaq pragre naq Evgfhxb vf vzzrqvngryl sverq sbe yrggvat na natry trg gb Prageny Qbtzn. V sbetbg gb zragvba ohg Erv vf va n arj irefvba bs Havg-00, nycun-Rin. Juvyr rirelbar vf ehfuvat nebhaq, Traqb pbyqyl fnlf gb Evgfhxb bayl nhgubevmrq crefbaary ner nyybjrq va urer. Xnjbeh znxrf vg gb jurer Erv unatf bhg, Yvyvz gnyx. Ohg gura Rin α fubjf hc, fb fpengpu jung V fnvq nobhg Erv orvat va vg. Zhfg or gur qhzzl cyht. Rin α gevrf gb uhag naq xvyy Xnjbeh naq Erv nf gurl eha, Havg-01 fnirf gurz naq xvyyf gur arj Rin havg. Traqb naq Xnjbeh gnyx. Xnjbeh gryyf Fuvawv ur unf gb xvyy uvz orpnhfr ur pna srry uvf vafgvapg chfuvat uvz gb Nqnz (ab zragvba bs Yvyyvgu hayrff V zvffrq vg). Ur fnlf vs ur xarj guvf fvghngvba jbhyq unccra ur jbhyq'ir fhax vagb gur frn jvgu Fuvawv vafgrnq. Fuvawv xvyyf uvz, naq uvf pbairefngvba jvgu Zvfngb unccraf vafgrnq juvyr ur'f gelvat gb jnfu gur fzryy bs Xnjbeh'f oybbq bss bs uvf unaqf. Nsgrezngu: Nfhxn onfurf gur ybpxre bire gur bire va natre (Guvf vf cebonoyl ure Rcvfbqr 19 zbzrag, hayrff gung nyernql unccrarq va guvf irefvba bs gur fgbel) naq Erv cnffrf bhg. Evgfhxb, nybar va ure ynobengbel, trgf neerfgrq. Ohg fur frrzrq gb or cynaavat ure eriratr orsberunaq. FRRYR unir n pelcgvp pbairefngvba nobhg jung genafcverq, naq gur rcvfbqr raqf.
tom
2023-10-15 00:09:18 +0000 UTCHey Im, the following is not a spoiler, but a theory with all the knowledge up to this point, that you have. Maybe the beings Kaworu spoke to at the lake are not really SEELE. There are several indicators. a) The council consists of I think 12 monoliths. But there are 15 or 16 of them present. I'm at work right now, so I can't check the episode at this moment. b) the number would coincide with the Angels that appeared throughout the show. c) Misato, who observes him, apparently does not see their presence. Also, just technically in universe the council was always seen by Gendo in a special projection room. They would not have a means to appear above the surface of a lake. This is of course all speculative, but the theory is that Kaworu is speaking in that moment to the souls of the defeated Angels. That would also explain why they refer to humans as Lilim, as if SEELE was not comprised of humans themselves. Again, just a theory, but maybe food for thought.
Soul Nibbler
2023-10-12 05:19:51 +0000 UTCYou're also correct that this episode feels rushed and that in various early drafts there were additional scenes with Kaworu and Shinji that were cut for time, at a very early stage. Ideas they had in mind included scenes of Kaworu playing the piano and the two of them swimming together (callback to Shinji's fear of swimming in episode 16). At this point the production schedule was pretty hectic and it does show a little, I'll get more into this when you're done with the series. I believe the co-writer for this episode is a guy who's specialised in homo-romantic content so that tone is very intentional; Kaworu's "In other words, I love you" line is the equivalent in Japanese of the line in Fly Me To The Moon though there is also the connotation of religious love I believe. None of this is spoilers for anything inside of the series, but from having reading interviews with Anno, you're absolutely correct that Kaworu was intended as a reflection of an "ideal" Shinji - and this is based on a friendship Anno had with another prominent guy in the anime industry who he had a similar, complicated feeling of idolisation/friendship with while experiencing low self-worth. I forget the dude's name. Definitely something to look at when you research more about the creator of the series since I think the homosexual element & Japan's relationship with that means it's often not at the top of the search results if you're not actively looking for it.
ambcadx
2023-10-11 22:09:42 +0000 UTC
