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Arrow 6x17 Poll!

Did you side more with Oliver Queen or John Diggle during this episode?

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I think Oliver is still harping over wanting to everything himself- something that has only ever ended poorly for everyone around him

Renee Rials

Not all of Diggle’s points were good, but ultimately I think Oliver is spreading himself too thin.

Dylan Carpenter

Oliver, 'cause some of the points John made were dumb like saying you didn't help save dinah's boyfriend. If I'm not mistaken wasn't it stop a bomb from blowing up the city vs save him, which he knew what he was getting into?

I voted for Oliver. Diggle may think Oliver is a bad leader and he's stretching himself too thin between being Green Arrow, being married and a father and also the mayor (all valid points btw) but he also lost me when he brought up Vigilante, Laurel and the money and Rene. I thought it was either save Vigilante or save the civilians that were attached to the bomb. To me, saving civilians were top priority and Vigilante accepted he might not make it out alive. Laurel and the money Oliver had no choice but to do what she said or else the city would go bankrupt. Rene deserved that ass whopping. Oliver gave him a chance to stand down and Rene didn't listen. Plus he swung an axe at Oliver like a crazy person. But Diggle crossed the line when he blamed Oliver for Samantha's death. Last I checked it was Adrian Chase that activated the deadman switch when he killed himself. How was Oliver supposed to know Adrian was gonna commit suicide? I couldn't side with John this time because he was being irrational and childish. It just seems to me he's more upset about not being the Green Arrow and he's finding other excuses to try and bring Oliver down.

Anthia Grant

I can see the points on both sides of the argument but I have to side with Oliver simply for the look of pure heartbreak on his face when Diggle told him he doesn't think he is a good leader and when he brought up Samantha and William... Diggle was the one to help Oliver realize the "hood" can be more about helping people and the city than redeeming his father in season one and after six years of following him and helping him he is just going to throw it back in his face like that means nothing... I don't understand it and I don't like it at all...

Johns Argument was that Oliver has get worse as a leader. I don't think so. Oliver has always been a bad leader. So as strange as it sounds, I'm on Olivers side. For John nothing should have changed.

Red Claw

Is it possible to chose neither?

M. Casarico

Diggle was being a dick! Oliver was doing nothing wrong and explained why he’s back calmly and diggle escalated it for no reason

Jamie Smith

I'm with Oliver because reasons.

Kosinsky93

I'm split between the two but I will always go with Oliver even though his decisions are not always the right call. It seems like the writers are trying to make everyone against Oliver for no apparent reason using senseless arguments and making everything that has happened in the city his fault especially with Vince.

Pretty sure that was already a thing last season and John was the one to tell him it did not matter because he still does everything he can to protect the city. And Oliver has always made clear it's a personal thing even in season where it was all about his father.

Doby Greg

John has a problem with Oliver not just putting on the hood the help the city, but also because it makes him feel like the best version off himself. John finds this unbefitting a hero, a hero needs to just put on a suit to help the city. I guess that's why he is so bend out off shape over not being given the top dog stop, completely altruistic not ego at all..... And did John forget the hood was a way for Oliver to survive 5 horrendous years, form a psychological standpoint obviously it is hard for Oliver to give up, it would be weird if it wasn't.

Valauthiel

Related to one of Eric's comments about Vertigo. I think Diaz meant he was going to use it on Oliver not share it with Laurel and bang lol

Seany McBuckets

When Supergirl/Flash were having dumb romantic breakups last year, they fixed it with a musical crossover. Now that we have dumb team breakups, we need Music Meister to come back and fix it with an Arrow musical episode.

Nathan Mortenson

Oliver’s side. Dig seemed completely out of character and attacking Oliver over decisions he backed is weak and that’s not Dig. Oliver has made mistakes but so Dig when he led. This season is quite honestly just pissing me off. I am almost ready to quit it though I still like Oliver. Felicity has basically no role this season. I liked Curtis till he got mixed up in this whole trust rubbish. Lance is all about Evil Laurel and I don’t know how I feel about her yet. They just ruined one of my favourite CW characters with Dig like this. Kinda over it all.

Callie Stephen

I was on Diggle's side whole the time. I know he hid the drugs-addiction, but he's right Oliver kind of steered away and made some questionable decisions this season

Flashback007

They're both not 100% right, but John had a point about doing this for the people rather for yourself.

Jordan Brauer

That's a really hard question, because I understood both points, they both made valid and true statements. Part of me wants to say Oliver, but I think that's my more biased side. So, rationally, I think it might be Dig. But they're both right in their own right.

Ian Vega

Siding more with Oliver here. The whole scene was better than anything they had going on with trust issues and confrontations with the newbies - eaaasy.

I want to side with Digg but both are right in their own way so i will not choose. Diggle is a "Yes man", he said yes to everyhing until he was on the position of leader, then now that he is back to second, he can't help but feel and think that "i could have done things differently" and that's everything. It's not out of character it's just him having enough and realizing what he has been putting away all this time. You can litteraly see in that scene that diggle is trying ton not be too harsh, he started quite low and even accepted wat oliver was saiying to him when Oliver sarted screaming, then when Oliver said about Rene putting a gun on him didn't leave him a choice and Diggle screamed too and brcame really angry. When he finished his line about samantha you can look at his face and see that he isn't happy at all about that, just like he wasn't before when he spoke to Lyla. And yes Diggle wasn't ok with a lot of thing but always said yes in the end. He always backs his point second to Olver's so him having this is nothing unheard of. And you could argue that he is doing it on the wrong time but that exactly what made him act and realize his feelings, the pressure of Diaz in the sitting and all the tension is the cause of that rift he can't hold back.

Christophe Kanaa

Neither lmao

ItsKikiKeeks

I will always side with Digg, no matter what

Alex 2cool

I honestly would love a solo green arrow season for season 7 just him out on his own. It would make things more interesting, maybe bring in the ninth circle storyline.

Cameron Mason

Both had valid arguments until they brought up dead loved ones(that's just being hurtful). I would have been fine if this was the original "Civil War" for the team instead of "TRUST!! WHERE'S THE TRUST?! WHOSE GOT THE TRUST?! I'VE GOT PTSD FROM ALL OF THE NO TRUST!!"

Dark Aeolus

Diggle. Oliver is not a good leader. He doesn't inspire loyalty and he does not understand how to build consensus.

Ari is my Cat

Definitely Oliver ! For three reasons 1)It seemed like Diggle just wanted to be the green arrow (like in episode 100) and he realized he was being irrational especially after Oliver apologized so when Lyla said maybe you feel like you would've been a better leader he went along & used it as his reasoning.... 2) he took it too far when he mentioned William's mom & punched him...3) The city is being attacked ,Diaz is taking control & it's only Diggle Oliver & Felicity on the team & he couldn't have waited till they took down Diaz & saved the city ? No I'm gonna bring it up now & leave you two to handle it on your own...

Wolf Nation (Moe)

I felt Diggle was using to many what-if scenarios in his reasoning, because most of what he said can't be proven or isn't really true, so I side with Oliver on this

Tucker Lobner

I voted oliver no doubt also with the way they resolved the episode it feels like john and oliver will never be on the same team again

Matthew

I was worried that diggle would say that olivers trail of bodys included, his best friend, his mother, shadow, masao, and i just realized this list is to damn long.

I voted diggle. I watch these shows really stoned so I see everything completely different to the people I talk to about them, I see it in a lot more different views I also see it as every shot is a panel in a comic with the actual characters in them which makes every scene fucking crazy!! Kevin Smith thought me that

She is not currently a Vigilante. But if she where to become black canary once more she would be arrested.

Doby Greg

Oliver chose a nuke over saving Vince so he still put the city in priority. Oliver made a bad call with the surveillance Diggle made a bad call with the drugs. They are both flawed but I trust Oliver to screw his relations to save the city while I am not so sure with John. Also Oliver doesn't make a trail of bodies, his enemies do and John knows and understand that. He has been the one reminding Oliver that for years and his himself a soldier. I thought Diggle bringing of a trail of bodies and punching first was totally out of character. A man so good and with such self control he let Oliver punch him and just sat down to give him a pep talk. That wasn't Diggle this episode it was his doppelganger controlled by the writers. There is a lot of good points to be brought against Oliver sadly not a lot of them were brought and most of those made made no sense and overshadowed the rest.

Doby Greg

They both made valid points. But Diggle was kinda out of character and this came a bit too suddenly. Team Deathstroke.

I Am Groot

I voted for Diggle, because he did bring up a ton of good points. Oliver really isn't the best leader because the person he trusts the absolute most is himself and sometimes he makes wrong decisions because of that. Despite all that, I almost chose Oliver because all of last season was about team Arrow convincing Oliver that Prometheus was wrong and that Oliver is a great person, a hero, and not a murderer. Now all of a sudden Diggle just can't work with Oliver because he gets people killed and is a horrible leader/hero. This entire season has been written very poorly. I don't know, maybe they're trying to lean towards Oliver being his own hero again in season 7 with Diggle at Argus, Dinah and Curtis on their own, and Thea+Roy gone chasing Lazarus pits. I guess what I'm saying here is that both Oliver and Diggle made good points, but Diggle made better ones. I just have a problem with this happening this season after all that happened last season.

Man what the hell are the writers smoking this season. I miss prometheus. Remember when he was 10 steps ahead and we didn't even know what game we were playing?

Abhi Gudivada

It was such an amazingly acted scene I just wish it was less contrived, it felt forced. I got whiplash when Digg apologised 12 seconds later.

Able

I was sided with Oliver, even though both had good points. Diggle has been on the side (and was okay with it) for 6 years, but when Ollie gave him the suit, he got a taste of power, and I think that's what it comes down to.

Roberto Cerrillo

I was a little more on Ollie’s side, as digg just didn’t seem himself this episode it just seemed out of character compared to how he was the rest of this season. Blaming Oliver for vigilantes death when I’m sure digg was all for going for the bomb over saving vigilante, I’m sure he even stated that himself in an episode.

Cameron Mason

They are both idiots.

Delorian

Diggle didnt seem himself, he was way to frustrated for a simple thing as being Green Arrow.

Mary Poppins Y'all

They both have good points, I'm just sad they're messing with my Oliver-Diggle bromance 😭

Sam K

One thing that confused me in the past few episodes is with the anti vigilante bill how laurel wasn't arrested when she came back? Everyone knows she's the black canary.

The Air Nation

After rewatching this episode ollie deserves to be alone lol

Colt Baudoux


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