FIREFLY 1X08 EXTENDED REACTION
Added 2021-07-20 07:00:04 +0000 UTCEXTENDED REACTION PART, SOONER, ONE VIDEO, NO ADDS
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Hello !
That was a fun episode ! Loved all of the story around Jayne, not just because it was creating good moments of laughter, but more because it taught us stuff about his past and also about where he's standing now. He didn't want these guys to admire him because he knows he's not someone like that, he did bad stuff. It could have been even more interesting to explore the subject of his loyalty. They said stuff about it at the beginning of the show and here we have the proof he can be disloyal.
The stories about Inara and the Magistrate's son, and the one with River being scared of the Sheperd's hair, were nice but not really useful. I found the moments between Kaylee and Simon nicer : in opposition to Inara and Mal who were flirting a lot and had a lot of big moments, but didn't progress at all, these two confessed feelings and seemed ready to evolve together.
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Yeah, I looked into it more after seeing your original comment and couldn't find a definitive answer. I was mostly skeptical of the idea of still producing episodes in a season while it's airing (especially if they only had a 3 episode buffer) because, at least of the more modern shows that I follow, they always have post-film production times of months before any episodes start to air. To be fair, they probably have more post-production nowadays (and for the probably bigger budget shows I'm thinking of, definitely so), and if that was more of the standard practice back then, then yeah, I think it's possible. I had heard of several people commenting on different episode ideas they had had, but I hadn't seen anything about full (or nearly complete) scripts for unreleased episodes before.
Ryan Lake
2021-07-27 08:18:19 +0000 UTCI wasn't aware of there being a "fan-theorized" order. I've always thought that the "official" order, declared so by Joss himself on the original DVD release was generally accepted, People that are using production order to theorize airing order must not be aware that it was common for shows to be produced out of order in order to accommodate cast and crew availability, as well as to allow them to juggle budgets around (make cheaper shows that will air later first so you know how much you have to work with for other episodes that are expected to need more money). Production order is not tied to airing order.
Thomas Yanez
2021-07-26 00:44:41 +0000 UTC22 episodes was the standard for Network TV when "Firefly" was being produced. That, and there are scripts that had not yet been made into episodes, and additional plot points for later episodes that have been discussed in many interviews. There is no reason to think they only intended the 14 that had been completed at the time the show was canceled. It was a common practice to be still making new episodes while the season was airing.
Thomas Yanez
2021-07-26 00:38:12 +0000 UTCI'm not completely sure about the cancellation issue. On Wikipedia, it does state that the show was cancelled after the 11th episode aired (out of the 14th that had been made). Since they cancelled it not during production, but during the airing of the 1st season, to me that makes it seem like they had only ever intended 14 episodes in this first season, though they obviously intended more seasons to follow. I think the movie does do a pretty good job of tying up the major plotlines of the show, though it could feel a bit rushed since they had to do it within a single movie rather than several more series. As you've already caught on, the show is very episodic, as pretty much all shows of the time were (and many still), but I think there is some small character progression as we go along. For example, priror to this episode we had already gotten some hints as to both the questioning of Jayne's loyalty and the Kaylee/Simon relationship, and I think this episode highlights both of those and expands on them much more than any prior episode. While the character development may not be as pronounced or as big as more "modern" shows, I think it is still there in more subtle ways, especially in comparison to other shows of the time. However, you are still absolutely right that the series overall is very episodic. In fact, the original airing of the episodes was completely out-of-order. While there's some debate among fans about what the "correct" order of episodes is, even from the "official" order first provided on the DVD release and now on the streaming platforms, the TV release order was very clearly not in order. For instance, what is now the first episode which is very clearly a standard pilot and was produced that way, was one of the last episodes to air on TV. I wouldn't worry at all about the episode order debate though - it mostly has to do with the order of a few of the last episodes, and the "official" order that you will be following is perfectly fine. So in short, there's the original "TV release" order that was completely wrong (and many fans think its part of the reason it didn't gain many viewers during the original release), the "official" order which is what you're watching, and the "fan-theorized" oorder which really only changes the order of a few later episodes and is only really based on a few small pieces of dialoogue (and the original episode production code numbers). IMO, I think they did produce and originally intend some of these later episodes to be in a different order, but sometime during production, changed it to the current "official" order. There may be one or two small pieces of dialogue in the later episodes that could be taken to be references to future episodes because of it, but those occur no matter which "order" you choose to believe, and none of them are any big deal to the overall plot or character development. However, if you happen to pick up on any of these in future episodes you watch, that's probably why. And finally... yes, when I hear "Firefly" one of the first things I think of is "The hero of Canton, the man they call Jaaaaaayne!" This is one of my favorite episodes, and though I wish there could have been a bit of happier ending for everyone, especially the "mudders", I think it follows the overall tone of the show of being a bit "grittier" and less idealistic/more realistic. It's also one of the best episodes for Jayne's character.
Ryan Lake
2021-07-20 18:56:15 +0000 UTCAlso you have to take into consideration that when he started, Whedon assumed he had the normal-for-the-time 22 episode season to work with at least, and probably multiple seasons (after his success with "Buffy" and "Angel" and what seemed to be a great show in the making with "Firefly"). Filler episodes were an inherent part of TV back then, and so you get episodes that are basically stand-alone (what you keep calling 'no progress') with teases about larger story elements, like a peek at something new with River. It was all about the slow burn story telling. Then suddenly they were cancelled with only 11 episodes to be aired.
Thomas Yanez
2021-07-20 18:04:20 +0000 UTCI'm glad that you're having fun with the series. Since there's only season 1, you're right in your assumption that there isn't going to be a lot of deep storytelling. So fun is really the main thing you'll be getting in the series. There are some deeper episodes though. Which just shows you how much better it could have gotten had they been allowed to continue. T_T Can't wait to see your reaction to the next episode. :)
Ferdinand Villafuerte
2021-07-20 08:41:15 +0000 UTC
