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gratzos
2021-05-25 17:10:37 +0000 UTCI think condoning anything done by humans as "evolution" is a facile argument at best, which doesn't add anything to a discussion by station Darwin's tautology; there's no value added by saying the survivors survive. In this whole thing, I've only wanted to show that the subtleties and nuance of the situation setup in AOT has no easy solution. That its not something that would be corrected or finished through conflict, but conflict is also inevitable. The world built, as we've seen in so far in the anime only, does not lead to a simple solution. With the intricacies of the human condition lending itself to a messy and disturbing reality. There are almost no other stories, where hatred of people simply because they are who they were born, are written to this level. Most other stories typically have some barrier where the hatred is unfounded, but in AOT the rest of the world has a real and genuine reason for feeling they do towards the Eldians. And that's the crux of the story and why I enjoy discussing it.
Seeno Evils
2021-03-31 19:37:38 +0000 UTCOh no, I wouldn't even argue with you that conflict seems to be inevitable here (or so far sadly also in reality). But that also doesn't mean I have to condone it as part of evolution or nature instead of setting higher expectations on humans than following their basic instincts. I mean we like to call ourselves the pinnacle of evolution but looking at all the war and destruction we bring to each other and this planet we certainly have quite a way to go :/
Diego Zenhäusern
2021-03-31 18:40:23 +0000 UTCtbh, I had to google that one. I've never seen CG. Well of coarse conflict is inevitable, what part of the show gave you that idea. Was it the never ending cycle of revenge? And where are you going to find a morally just person amid that cluster-F of childhood trauma? Pacifist ideals kinda conflict with taking over the world, don't it? I also spoiled myself when I looked into evolution and AOT. Wouldn't recommend it if you're not caught up with the manga (lol). Edit: The evolution thing is actually the coolest thing I've seen so far.
Seeno Evils
2021-03-31 08:12:23 +0000 UTCThis is giving me some real Charles zi Britannia vibes😅
Diego Zenhäusern
2021-03-31 07:11:30 +0000 UTCWhat can I say, that's how it works. My suggestion of self restraints is based on moral principles and a part of me having pacifist ideals. In reality, the jaegers can just conquer the world with all that power and I still won't see why they shouldn't. If anyone has a problem about it, just defeat them and prove them wrong that way :) Compete and evolve, sounds barbaric but I'm sure Charles Darwin will agree with me on that one. Conflict is just inevitable, the only thing I’d ask for is no meaningless battles.
Swan
2021-03-31 02:46:37 +0000 UTCWhat you need to see Diego, as Swan pointed out, the new ruling class will be a tiny collection of technologically illiterate militant farmers that have only ever had a monarch with no experience with international negotiations becoming the powerhouses of the world, because they hold the insight for balancing power with restraint and the justification that it's nature taking its course. How did I not see it before? :P
Seeno Evils
2021-03-30 21:54:02 +0000 UTCBut to give a point where we do agree: I'd say them getting to keep the titans but restricting their use with vows would probably be the best solution and I'd be totally here for it!
Diego Zenhäusern
2021-03-30 20:10:15 +0000 UTCI can definitely see you point! The only thing I can add, is that it would be a few individuals in power that get to make the call and the Eldians wouldn't be given a choice in either szenario. I think in this case it just comes down to our different priorities in the matter: To me the fact that marley is doing it because of selfish reasons makes it worse on principle, because I want humanity to learn to work together rather than against each other. So the fact that it's the more pragmatical/ logical reason doesn't make it better to me.
Diego Zenhäusern
2021-03-30 20:07:23 +0000 UTCEren is just playing dumb with Pieck, Zeke made sure to tell no one he has royal blood other than people he trusts
RonnieJayPlays
2021-03-30 14:12:20 +0000 UTCTake it easy there tough guy. I’m sure we’re all pretty open minded here, well not all of us apparently.
Swan
2021-03-30 12:18:34 +0000 UTCAny AOT critique will make the fanboys mad. It has to be 10/10 flawless and no plot hole and straight praise or they will get butthurt.
Knocking Master Jiro
2021-03-30 05:20:30 +0000 UTCWell, they don't call him Armin Luther King for no reason, a walking nuke himself but is a pacifist unwilling to engage in conflict, so I won't be surprised if he's down for the plan. Honestly what's talking gonna do? I don't see any misunderstanding between Subjects of Ymir and the rest of the world. (You don't wanna know Eren's nickname in East Asia LMAO)
Swan
2021-03-29 16:31:01 +0000 UTC@Diego The reason I said I'd rather Marley or the world is trying to carry out this plan is that it'd mean they're at least going after things that will benefit their own respective countries, eliminating threats and taking back valuable resources. At the very least it won't be a few self-absorbed cowards who just decided whether their entire race gets to live or not without even being given a choice on whether they should continuing struggling. Yes to the rest of the world, excellent news you're willing to just all die out. We won't have to live under fear of being trampled upon AND we get to take all your resources for free (Which is actually what Marley and the rest of the world want the most other than fear) after you're all dead.
Swan
2021-03-29 16:26:30 +0000 UTC@Algernon Oh trust me the power of Titans is about as natural as it can get. I can’t go further without spoiling but the point is it’s just how nature works, survival of the fittest. I can’t tell how many species have gone extinct from stronger oppositions or mutations of the same kind throughout the history of earth. Now as the the world’s retaliation after the rumbling’s demonstration. It doesn’t matter at all. There will be no weapons or technologies currently or ever be able to match the founding Titan who is capable of creating thousands of colossal Titans just by lifting a finger. Doesn’t matter if there’s 10 Marleys attacking at the same time. Which is why the world is desperate to end Eldia before they can use the founding Titan. Zeke, Eren and even Karl Fritz never maintained balance, they all took extreme measures that results in devastations on either side. True balance is exercising power in restraint, only for necessities such as self defence or utilities like creating materials or cure diseases. And it can be done through like I said a modified vow of renouncing war so Eldia can defend themselves while the rest of the world is safe from the rumbling unless they try something funny. If that is not enough then the user can be monitored by the Ackermans (Because they can’t be controlled by the founder) same goes for all other Titan shifters. Lastly, yes you are right. Just like anything else there’s no guarantee that it won’t go to utter shit and the world is at risk again. But at the end of the day, power is just power, just like it’s possible that the power can go to the wrong hands, it’s also possible that it can be used in a good way that can make the world a better place. I am willing to believe that rather than agreeing on the idea that a race was born a mistake and should be exterminated.
Swan
2021-03-29 16:20:11 +0000 UTCHmmm, to be honest: To me the idea of Eren and Zeke committing genocide with the goal of bringing the world peace (even though realistically speaking it won't work in the long run and at some point or another conflict would arise from elsewhere) sounds way better than Marley committing genocide because of racism, fear and power hunger🤔
Diego Zenhäusern
2021-03-29 16:17:03 +0000 UTCSeeing Armin cry in the episode I was like: "Oh, so he's trying to get them to believe he's on their side to do something later on" After reading the comments/ hearing her thoughts about it, I'd say it's a mixture of that and him being relieved that Eren didn't turn into a monster just for the sake of power/ being a monster🤔
Diego Zenhäusern
2021-03-29 16:09:53 +0000 UTCThat scene was great xD
Diego Zenhäusern
2021-03-29 16:06:06 +0000 UTCHmm I can’t go too in-depth without spoiling other people here but let’s just say it wasn’t exactly that mindless titan who saved Zeke. It was explained well and it makes sense so I don't consider it a plot armor. What's actually plot armour is Floch of all people survived 3 waves of rock attacks from the god damn Beast titan himself.
Swan
2021-03-29 15:39:39 +0000 UTCThat scene was the last straw into making the royal blood the AoT equivalent of Hashirama cells of Naruto franchise. That's why I'm calling it bullshit. I would have bought it if Isayama made Zeke heal by the healing factor of the titans instead of showing him dying and making a titan appear out of nowhere to rip its stomach open and nestle Zeke inside it to heal.
Müfit Aslan
2021-03-29 13:20:26 +0000 UTCYou're right, I was mistaken when I put "explicitly", but it should be limited to what we can logically extrapolate to, based on what we've been shown. The anime is now further along than I made it in the manga. The Titan power is not natural. It's not something that was just evolved over time. It's not "nature taking its natural course". The point of the question I alluded to is that's the question Zeke and Erin are contemplating right now. Should they allow the struggle to continue, because if they do then the consequence of that decision is their people are going to have to continue fighting. If they start the rumble, then they're going to have to take it to its conclusion. They can't start the rumble, show the world their only card and thinks that's going to be the end of it. They don't have the man power, resources, or allies for an extended fight against the world. They're lucky it's only Marley attacking in their blimps right now. My point has never been to argue whether Erin and Zeke are right or wrong, but to put into proper context what the pressure the world they inhabit is placing on them and the resolve they would need for the decision they make in either direction. Your last sentences conflict. Eren, Zeke, King Fritz are just but a few examples of power not being self restrained, and they throw off the balance. So what makes you think that people like them would never show up again? And trying to claim that they could use the founding titan's power to restrict titan user's ability to use that power for their own desires, then that's a limit of their "free-will" and Titan inheritors wouldn't be free, and nature wouldn't be taking its course.
Seeno Evils
2021-03-29 10:32:39 +0000 UTCIs it? I’m sure knowing chapter 120 nothing is really bullshit now ain’t it.
Swan
2021-03-29 09:46:11 +0000 UTCI believe when Armin cried he was plotting something but it got interrupted when Pieck exposed herself. There is no way he was moved by Zeke's plan. Also a minor thing but when Pieck said "hi there" to soldiers when she was going upstairs with Eren, you can see Porco among them. I don't know where the titan that placed Zeke in its stomach came from. It may be one of the Scouts that Zeke made transform in to a titan. Maybe Levi heavily wounded that one but didn't have the time to finish it off but I don't really know but this is some plot armour shit right there. Here I say it and I don't care: It's bullshit. It was bullshit in the manga and it's bullshit now. That scene might be the only thing I don't like about this franchise.
Müfit Aslan
2021-03-29 09:29:26 +0000 UTCWe don't have to limit ourselves to the information explicitly given to us at all. I believe Isayama intended for us to think freely about his story so by all means feel free to join the ranks of philosophers, politicians, writers, etc. I believe that way fits Isayama’s central theme of his story: オレ達はみんな生まれた時から自由だ (From the moment we're born, we're free) Now, I'm not sure if you are reading the manga but my mind didn't change even after that, I think Eldia should continue to exist, and if the consequences is that they ended up ruling/leading the world again, that only means mother nature decides that Eldians are the future of humanity. Zeke, Eren, Karl Fritz and whoever it is should just let nature run its course and stop playing god. It’s not a sin for Eldia to reclaim its rightful place as the most powerful country, it does not mean they have to enslave and slaughter other races just because they’re at the top of the food chain. The crucial part is how the power should be self restraint in order to maintain balance.
Swan
2021-03-29 08:52:37 +0000 UTCBut the question is in regards to the Eldians, not the world. If we're going to discuss how the world will solve it's problems, then we're joining the ranks of philosophers, politicians, writers, etc. throughout all recorded time. It's irrelevant to the story how the rest of the world reacts on what the Eldians do. There hasn't been enough world building outside Marley and Eldia to factor that into the discussion. We have to limit ourselves to the information the show has explicitly given us. Yes there will be conflicts, regardless of the Eldians. The question is: Should they continue to struggle, and if so, what are the consequences of sticking around.
Seeno Evils
2021-03-29 08:11:47 +0000 UTCHere's the thing, the killing will never stop, whether there are Eldians or not. Humans will just invent another brilliant way to massacre one another. King Fritz taking Eldia out of the equation didn't stop the killing, Marley just took over the role and trampled upon other nations. Zeke's way will end the titans once and for all, but let's be real here us humans in real life do worse things to one another and we don't even have the power of the titans. How much time do you think Zeke can buy before another world war starts? Titan powers are not the source of the problem, the way it was used is the real problem. I'll get theoretical from here on out so I'll share several bold ideas. Imagine The founding titan is used to cure diseases, create materials for technological advancements or even change human body structures for improvements. Maybe even turn the soldiers in the country into ackermans so a drafting system is not needed. Perhaps a vow could even be made so that the users can only use this power for self-defense/non-war purposes, same for other titan shifters. As for the mindless titans, it's not needed but perhaps they could even make irredeemably criminals who are doing life sentences drink spinal fluids and turn them if the situation calls for it.
Swan
2021-03-29 07:51:46 +0000 UTC@ Swan - I guess so, I can see what you mean. I, personally, have trouble disconnecting the two. The end result is the same, the only difference is the body count is larger for one than the other.
Seeno Evils
2021-03-29 07:20:13 +0000 UTCI'd like to think that but unfortunately, I believe Armin's intelligence has not been so evident ever since he ate Bertholt. Inheriting Bertholt's indecisiveness and irrationalism has made Armin lost a lot of his previous leadership and tactical touches. Personality has a great influence over one's use for their talents and we've seen the massive difference between Bertholt normally and him when he finally hardened his resolve in the shinganshina battle Speaking from an Eldian point of view I still don't see the reason why they have to choose from either being immediately exterminated, or choose to all die out slowly. I don't see any need to accept the world's hostility. I think Eldia is better off just following the original plan, demonstrate the rumbling's power, and developed their country until they can be on par with the world. If the world is afraid of the titans then so be it, it's their problem for their weakness, titan powers are merely tools, it's human nature itself that decided to use them as killing machines.
Swan
2021-03-29 07:10:56 +0000 UTCOh yeah, what I was meaning to say was that the euthanization plan is genocide, as defined in the real world United Nations' Genocide Convention. Eren and Zeke are basically planning to do something that, in the real world, 190+ countries have decided is one of the worst possible crimes against humanity. I think it's only slightly better than the outside world killing all of them immediately. I'm sort of going back and forth on it. It seems like a gentler option than some of their alternatives, but it would also basically make them the worst people who ever lived. Surely there's another way they just don't see. I'm holding out hope that this is where Armin will come in. The show made such a big deal about whether Erwin or Armin were what humanity needed, that I'd be a little let down if he doesn't get a chance to help in some way. Armin is just plain smarter than Eren and probably Zeke, so maybe he'll see an option they couldn't.
RJIA
2021-03-29 07:02:07 +0000 UTCYes it is but at least if it’s Marleyans or anyone else from the world, it'd just be them eradicating a threat that can potentially end their civilizations. If Eldians did it to themselves the meaning would be different. It'd be a few Eldians, like King Karl Fritz who selfishly decided that all their people and those after them have no right to be born just for their ancester's problems
Swan
2021-03-29 05:51:49 +0000 UTCSwan, this is reference to you're last paragraph ("If a [Marlyean] tried to go with this plan I might not even hate it at all..."). If it were a Marlyean, I think they call that a textbook definition of genocide.
Seeno Evils
2021-03-29 05:47:02 +0000 UTCThat dude started running his mouth because Yelena and Oyankopon are not Eldians, he thought that the volunteers took over Eldia and it'd be like another Marley or something, so he thought it was safe to start being a racist only to get a bullet through his brain. That was as funny as I saw it in the manga
Swan
2021-03-29 05:05:47 +0000 UTCSure you can say "killing all of our enemies" is genocide, but I don't see how eradicating an entire race by stripping their own ability to have children, in other words, their future just because they are not like other races any different than ethnic cleansing. What I hate more about this is the message behind it, Zeke is essentially saying that being born into this world is a mistake, that being Eldian means you have to accept the hostility of the world simply because they fear you. I'm only speaking this from an Eldian perspective though. If a Malayan tried to go with this plan I might not even hate it at all, but since an Eldian is the one trying to genocide his own people, I just felt nothing but frustration
Swan
2021-03-29 04:51:07 +0000 UTCTake their damn time is all I want to say, 2023 even if that's what they need. If they did the fight sequences in part 2 the way they did part 1, they'll get double the amount of backlashes.
Swan
2021-03-29 04:48:28 +0000 UTCIt really does seem like Armin is just glad that Eren is not as bad as he was thinking. It's still pretty bad, but Armin seems like he really just wanted all the killing to stop. He was convinced Eren's solution was to destroy everything, which was a reasonable assumption since he's been shouting about destroying all his enemies for the last decade of his life. As much as I hate the plan, it definitely does seem like a relatively peaceful way to get out of a no-win situation. Too many other options would mean everyone within the walls dying. I'm kind of happy that his solution didn't change from "kill all titans" to "kill all of our enemies". In our world, what he's doing would be defined as genocide by international law, and it's really one of the worst things you could do to a people, but if the alternative is death in the near future, I can't really say he's doing any worse than what the rest of the world wants to do.
RJIA
2021-03-29 04:37:31 +0000 UTCI kinda get where they're coming from, since 16 episodes is shorter than the normal seasons, but I feel like "final" was a bit misleading when it's going to be a year. The year of anticipation is going to be brutal now, even though I didn't care how long it took to end before. Maybe that was their plan... get the hype train rolling.
RJIA
2021-03-29 04:26:32 +0000 UTCRegarding whether or not to pause when giving your thoughts, i really prefer that you paused when speaking your thoughts. The amount of time i watched a reaction and the person talked over it and missed out on some stuff is super annoying. Sometime, i wish i could just reach through the screen and hit that pause button lmao. Atleast you rewind and see what you missed. But if you might rewind. Might as well paused it. If i wanna watch the anime, i go to the sources. You are entertaining enough to not required anime running to not be "boring". But hey, that just me.
shawaluddin bin zulkifli
2021-03-29 04:09:21 +0000 UTCMaybe you know this already but next episode will air in Winter 2022 https://www.funimation.com/blog/2021/03/28/attack-on-titan-final-season-part-2-announced-coming-winter-2022/ Small teaser 10 sec https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0sL9asAgWc
Dany DLTV
2021-03-29 03:47:48 +0000 UTC
